| Fantasia's Truths |
[20 Oct 2005|01:06pm] |
Here's a collection of people who live in or near High Point, telling the truth about it. The same truth Fantasia told
"I live right next foor to "High Peezzee" as the locals call it, and she has never told more truth than this shit.
Sorry, but High Point is pretty much a shithole that keeps its downtown area looking good for them foreigners that come in for "market" every year. That median household income statistic only applies to those actually working in the furniture industry (or those actually WORKING)."
And another:
"I think that her comments have merit since I live just down the road, so to speak from High Point and her comments are based on her view of her home town. To be honest, there is a gross disparity between the haves and the have not in that town. I think that the author has been unduly hard on her especially considering that he has never even been to High Point and particularly because of the fact that he doesn't know how she grew up or the conditions that she experienced while doing so. I think we need to stop looking for reasons to put each other down. Her current contract may not be ideal, but it has afforded her the opportunity to enjoy a life that she most likely would have never been able to enjoy had she remained there in High Point.... Go Fantasia!!!!"
S. T. Davis, Sr. Greensboro, NC
And another:
"I actually live about 5 minutes from High Point, and I have relatives (as well as friends) that either have lived or still live there now. High Point as a city is not poverty stricken, however; an African American middle class in High Point almost doesn't exist. You either have it, which means your mother/father is a surgeon, or you don't. The entire dialect of High Point for Black people is different, and shared by most that are financially challenged.
I worked with a number or Black men and women for over a decade in my hometown which is only a few steps from High Point. We'll just suffice it to say that I knew from the minute they opened their mouths where they resided. I was so estatic when my nephews moved back to our hometown to finish school. Their accents were quickly changing from sounding like educated young Black men, to the average Black raised in High Point.
I believe the most upset people about the comments made by Fantasia are the people that don't realize they reside in a city that is oppressive to African Americans. There are a number of Blacks that are born and raised in High Point, and would not leave it for the world. They don't know anything else. Instead of judging Fantasia for her thoughts and opinions of a place she is well authorized to speak on (she was raised there as well as a host of her other relatives), the individuals complaining should perhaps thank her for shedding light on what other, unbiased citizens in NC have known for quite sometime...High Point is not a positive place to build a life for the average Black family. Of all the "pissed off" people on those "Fantasiaslies" type websites, you'd be hard pressed to find one that would win a million dollars, have a chance to travel the world manifesting their God-given talent, and actually choose to stay in High Point, NC and make a life with their family.
I embrace Fantasia for her courage to speak."
And another:
Yeah, I grew up in Winston-Salem and one of my best friends grew up in High Point. I don't think either side of this rather petty Fantasia vs. High Point argument is completely right, but Fantasia is closer to the mark.
And another:
That is just plain stupid. How much free time do you have on your hands where... of ALL the issues going on in the world... THIS is the issue that motivates you to action. Fukk a Katrina victim, I am going to fight the lies Fantasia told about my hometown... huh? How does that even make sense?
And another:
I am from High Point (Thank God I recently moved to the ATL though) and I agree with everything Fantasia said about the city. It's boring as hell and my friends and I used to call it Dry Point (that's a lil step up from Land of the Dead). I think all of the people complaining about Fantasia's statements have probably been in that city all of their lives and don't know what a real city is supposed to be like. Plus shouldn't people in Dry Point be worried that folks are walking around getting promoted to the next grade while being illiterate? Instead of coming down on Fantasia perhaps the school system should be looked at a little harshly. Although I got the education I deserved and went on to college and law school; I know many people who were in a similar situation as Fantasia in high school.
And another:
i am not a fantasia fan but i will say the girl is being honest to what is true to her. and since when do we care what 19 year olds have to say?
those folks are just trying to have something to brag about when they drink their imported beer while sitting on their fine high point furniture.
my question for them is this: why don't you go teach somebody how to read!?!
And another:
it's an autobiography! That's how she sees highpoint,and who can argue with that. People need to stop trippin! everything isn't for everybody. That's her reality. Let her have it.
And another:
It sounds to me like you were looking for the opportunity to capitalize off Fantasia's success (hmmm, quite strategic). Needless to say it is not about proving that Fantasia embellished facts but to gain a little bit of fame. Now let me say this, you say that she did not grow up in the projects, right? Have you check the average income for that particular neighborhood? I lived not too far from Five Points and it is not exactly the Suburbs or middle town America. It is a struggle to gain your self-esteem after years of abuse or did you miss those facts in the book? Just who do you think you are and what right do you have to judge others? Do you have a child that attends any of the schools in that district?
As a matter of fact, while you were researching did you check these statistics on Montlieu Elementary:
http://www.ncreportcard.org/src/schDetails.jsp?Page=2&pSchCode=469&pLEACode=410&pYear=2001-2002
Did you notice, NO RECOGNITION due to too many students unable to meet the general standards implemented by the state!
Oh, by the way-let's discuss T Wingate Andrews: http://www.ncreportcard.org/src/schDetails.jsp?Page=2&pSchCode=319&pLEACode=410&pYear=2003-2004
Now don't get me wrong, she admitted that she could have done better but before you defend the system, know what you are dealing with. Tell me this, if you had dealt with the emotional scars of a rape, verbal abuse and numerous other mental scars could you say that your life would be any different.
Guilford County has several schools on academic probation and they are all in LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS. Fantasia's neighborhood was a LOW INCOME NIEGHOBORHOOD.
Did you get pictures of the number of drug sales that go on right up the street at the gas station at Five Points? Did you run the statistics that show the amount of crime rampant in that neighborhood?
Now, check this out--during her childhood she also lived in Charlotte. So which one is really home? Kyle, you and your wife need a life.
By the way, if High Point is so picture perfect, can you explain why the High Point Police Department has taken the time to create this website?
http://www.high-point.net/police/high_point_street_gangs.cfm
Or should you check this link?
http://www.high-point.net/police/violentcrimes.cfm
Leave her alone. Another point, you can have a central air and heating unit installed but if your parents can't afford the bill what good does it do. Details from the book, her grandmother would help with utility bills---hmmm.
I noticed you didn't comment on her positive memories of the church--that's in High Point too. You didn't comment on her committment to her family....
You can't change a persons perception about their community. By the way Mr. Fact guy, check and see what the statistics show for Guilford county according to the Employment Security Commission:
http://www.ncesc.com/lmi/industry/industryMain.asp
Now there are some facts!!!!!
Oh, by the way Fantasias community was considered and still is considered a HIGH CRIME AREA!!!
And another:
You think Montleiu is a high crime area you should walk down Washington street{not}.Yes High Point does not offer a lot for young people to do other than cruise main street or go clubbing or perhaps to the mall or movies.But young people can still invest time in education to make a better way of life.Fantasia's dream was singing and she made it!!!!Alot of us in N.C. voted for her, i am happy for her.Maybe her book didn't "shine" on her home town,but that is her opionion.With factories closing people out of work is that not depressing yes it is to alot of people.Ask yourself if u were in her shoes would your book be any different?
And another:
To call High Point a slum is an understatement, and I think it is ridiculous that there would even be a website devoted to making disparaging remarks about young lady because she called something what it IS.
I grew up in NC, went to college in NC, and thankfully escaped from NC. I have known friend upon friend who have relived the horrible High Point experience to me. Raleigh (where I am from) had enough of its downfalls, but considering the level of opportunities that are available in Raleigh, in comparison to High Point, Raleigh was practically as metropolitan as NYC!
Having heard the rumors about High Point my whole life (i.e. "Circus Freak Central," "Land of the Dead"), driving through on occasion (doors locked and speeding before getting carjacked!), and knowing that "higher education" in High Point means actually getting a HIGH SCHOOL diploma, I am so happy that Fantasia broke out of that mold into which so many backward cities in NC cast their unsuspecting children.
I hazard to guess that the people who founded this site are proud products of the Guilford County Public School System, living not too far from their entire extended families, with enough insecurity to take personally what every single person who has ever been to/heard of High Point thinks about their now-infamous city.
Kyle and Jennifer, take a good hard look at your lives and especially where you live. You choose to stay stuck in your dirty city that is full of aggravated assaults, robberies, and, oh yes, furniture. Maybe you should try being a little more globally informed before you defend such a disgusting place that only the proudest of the "countrified" proclaims home.
Please put your resources to good use and volunteer to help High Point! Work with city officials to get the prostitutes off the streets, the schools up to par, and the slums cleaned!
And another:
1) First, to dispute a "lie" one must know the truth. There is nothing on your website that you can provide to visitors in order to counter her "opinions" and lead anyone to doubt her claims. The autobiography is one person's own telling of their life, published for people to read if they choose and to develop their own opinions. What you guys obviously failed to learn growing up is that we all can believe or not believe what another has said, but it all remains in a category of opinion. To leave and attempt to concretely prove that someone else's views are a lie, well, you must give facts. You idiots tell us to discredit Fantasia's perspective on her life by believing you, which is funny considering that you provide, WOW, your own perspective.
2) I too was born in NC and although I love my home state, their are things that I have disliked and voiced that are my opinion but that in reality are certainly not all so horrible. "In my own opinion" I think that High Point is somewhat closer to what Fantasia has stated, I have been there several times. Your best claim to fame is furniture, but having a school bus manufacturer and Krispy Kreme connection is true, but unlikelu to attract masses of tourists. Fantasia is already helping you!
3) Lastly, what you are stating on your website is concrete evidence she could use in a lawsuit against you for defamation of character. As a graduate with a degree in Journalism, this is very hard to prove, but not in this case. To win a case such as this, you must be able to provide "facts" that someone has hurt your career and be able to show "facts" as to how it did.
FACT: website stating she lied FACT: she is a celebrity w/ career FACT: people will visit the site FACT: people will develop opinions
Do you understand? If her next album for example sells poorly, well, she has the "factual" evidence to say that your website hurt her sales. Do you have the "factual" cash to give her is she wins?
PS - Funny that you are trying to boost High Point's image, when your site is completely full of misspellings and grammatical errors. All of those of course being something that you would have learned in grammer school. Surely you didn't miss it right because you two didn't drop out!
And another:
I want to say this to you folks. To me it is like you never been to the bad side of High Point before. Look, i used to live in High Point, and I still have family there. I live about 20 mins away from HP now, so I gotta say my piece on this:
some things people dont talk about in reference to High Point (these points come from HP Dept of Health):
- HP has the highest per capita IV Drug user population in the southeast. - HP has the highest per capita HIV infection rate in North Carolina.
Now, HP does have some old money, High Point University, and the Furniture Market. During Furniture Market times, HP is bumping with traffic and tourists. But anyother time, HP might as well be a ghost town. Only the townies are there, or the ultra rich kids from HPU, which is a $60,000 a year private college.
There are some thriving rich white communities around Oak Hollow Lake and other areas on one side of High Point. But on the downtown part and the parts near the highway (where black folks live) are run down and old. Many would never see those sections, as High Point was basically built to be segregated, and the communities stay so.
Have you driven down Russell Street, or parts of Centennial or Montileu Streets? It's like you are not accepting the poverty that is there! Now, I has to say this. Montlieu Street does have a Catholic School with guards, and junkies walking up and down the sidewalk. It's like the folks that made this website have never driven down in that area. This house is only a few blocks away from "Lil' 5 Points" which is the easiest place to cop drugs in Guilford County. You will see junkies, poor, and drug dealers in the area around "Lil' 5 Points". Just because she is near the school doesn't mean it is not ghetto! And, that school is not 4 blocks from the rehab centers that are in the area. The rehab centers are in that area because of the vast proliferation of drugs in that area!
Montlieu is surrounded by other streets, and there is a great deal of drug activity on those streets, ask any HP Police officer where he makes the majority of his drug arrests.
And another thing that is bothering me about it, she used the word ghetto in a context of it being hood, poor, etc. How are these people acting like a $550 a month house is the big time? Most folks living in a house in that price range are living in the poor side of town. I will tell you word one, $550 for that house in this area means that the house is run down. You dont get decent houses for that price, especially this size.
Can you people get back to reality?? Montlieu Street in High Point is not Oak Hollow Mall or the Furniture Market! Go down and around that area, I'm sure you will open your eyes.
Take this board down. You are trying to feel better about a place that has a next-to-nothing economy without the Furniture Market.
Are you that worried about your property value? Is that why you won't accept the problems in High Point??
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